> It's not just the "management". A few years back his fellow members voted > 2:1 to maintain the status quo. That's actually highly untrue - but I'm not blaming anyone for thinking it is true. I observed what was and wasn't done at the time and what questions were put and why. For various reasons I have slightly more insight into what happened overall. If anyone is interested and wants to authoritatively quote chapter and verse they would need to at least review all the related material. I don't imagine that there is in fact much point in rehashing what did or didn't happen then as opposed to doing whatever seems appropriate now - but if interested in referring to past events it may be useful to be aware of the above comments. If anyone is REALLY interested and is willing to sign an NDA in the blood of their firstborn I MAY be willing to comment offlist. But, maybe not, and it's not worth asking move along nothing to see here these are not the ones you want. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .