On 22/09/10 09:13, Vitaliy wrote:
> RussellMc wrote:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Violence is not our aim here.
> Belittling questioners IS of concern and is unacceptable.
> Purposeful humiliation as a means of education is unacceptable here.
> Seeking to drive people away from the list, or being satisfied that it
> is a good outcome if it occurs is not how we seek to do things here.
>
> How say you, gentlemen?
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> In the Soviet Union, there was an institutionalized practice of public
> shaming ("community pressure", they called it). If you had some character
> flaw, say you were a drunkard or a hooligan or you didn't want to volunte=
er
> to harvest potatos for the benefit of the state, you would be brought in
> front of a community meeting where your neighbors would take turns to try=
 to
> guilt you into changing your behavior. This took place everywhere, from
> elementary schools to factories. If you misbehaved in some way, you could
> also expect to see your face on a poster titled "Shame on Russell McMahon=
!"
> followed by a short paragraph describing your misconduct. The practice
> enjoyed limited success, but there were always those stubborn people who
> continued to be alcoholics, hooligans, and materialists.
>
> Many people agree that Olin can be a jerk sometimes. Most people agree th=
at
> being a jerk is not an acceptable form of behavior. Everyone knows that O=
lin
> will never change his views or his behavior in response to community
> pressure. Yet time and time again we attempt the same thing, expecting a
> different result.
>
> There are only two solutions that will work, without turning the PICList
> into a police state.
>
> 1. "Sticks and stones may break my bones (but words will never hurt me)."
> Let Olin be a jerk, and let Rolf explain to the victim that Olin is being=
 a
> jerk. Let the victim tell Olin that he's a jerk. If you don't like Olin, =
set
> up a mail filter. Don't like a thread, don't read it.
>
> 2. Simple&  well defined rules, with consistent and transparent enforceme=
nt.
> If someone breaks a rule, ban them for a time, and make the fact public.
>
> Back to work...
>
> Vitaliy
>
>   =20
bans don't work olin just signs up under a pseudonym.
He is a troll.
Unfortunately he also knows alot about the subject and is really good at=20
walking the line of being useful enough that the population at large=20
feels conflicted about the amount of work to keep him out if they so chose.


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