You know, Oli, Olin and I have a 'thing' going, a mutual dislike. I=20 try not to let it get to me, and for the most part I succeed. Then again, sometimes he succeeds. This time though I just figured I'd=20 let it slide. I resolved a while ago to not get ulcers on his behalf,=20 life's too short, yada, yada, yada... but, well, I was prepping a=20 response to another mail and I was intrigued by how many people had=20 actually looked at the system I set up, so I grepped the logs, and came=20 up with 26 unique IP's, and, since Olin told me his IP, I grepped the=20 logs for his IP. Here's the result: www.tuis.net:80 129.44.190.252 - - [04/Sep/2010:09:21:37 -0400] "GET /=20 HTTP/1.1" 200 282 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT=20 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" www.tuis.net:80 129.44.190.252 - - [04/Sep/2010:09:21:39 -0400] "GET=20 /splash/index.en.html HTTP/1.1" 200 1804 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;=20 MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" www.tuis.net:80 129.44.190.252 - - [04/Sep/2010:09:21:39 -0400] "GET=20 /ui/default.css HTTP/1.1" 200 6003=20 "http://www.tuis.net/splash/index.en.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;=20 MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" www.tuis.net:80 129.44.190.252 - - [04/Sep/2010:09:21:39 -0400] "GET=20 /ui/common.js HTTP/1.1" 200 2144=20 "http://www.tuis.net/splash/index.en.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;=20 MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" www.tuis.net:80 129.44.190.252 - - [04/Sep/2010:09:21:39 -0400] "GET=20 /imgs/root.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5687=20 "http://www.tuis.net/splash/index.en.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;=20 MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" That's it, in it's entirety, no more, no less. This tells me that, to prepare his response to my mail, he looked at the=20 front page. Yup, he did not click on a single link. You know the links=20 to the "PIC", "PIC EE and TECH", and "PIC OT and everything else" links,=20 well, he did not click a single one of them. I am just surprised that he went to so much effort *before* he told me I=20 was delusional. And, what's more, he has the nerve to say the archive is=20 not really worth doing anything about "it's not nice enough to get off=20 my butt and help", yet, he is quick to get off his butt, at 5:21am to=20 try piss someone off... I guess that speaks volumes. He manages to call=20 me delusional, and to then have the gaul to say that James's 'Sincerity=20 is suspect' just irks me. James just spent 4K on a machine to keep the archive going, when, by all=20 accounts, that is stretching his budget really thin. If anyone has=20 suspect sincerity it certainly is not James. I can handle it when Olin digs in to me, calls me names, and is=20 generally mean, but it really bothers me when he picks on the people=20 with genuine integrity (again) and then gets all lordy as if he is doing=20 us all a favor by 'putting people in their place'. Rolf On 04/09/2010 11:36 AM, Oli Glaser wrote: > Jeez Olin, you really are a grouch sometimes... keeps me amused though I > suppose... (when it's not bugging me..) :-) > I don't think he was "complaining", just maybe gently poking us for some > feedback (which you appear to have taken him up on in your own inimitable > manner) > I think it's good that anyone will take the time and trouble to do this k= ind > of thing as it means the Piclist is more likely to survive in the future. > I was also interested in the response to the advertising question, I > thought that was quite a good idea if done correctly. I'm the same about = the > archives, I don't really use them at the moment, but I think it's a great > knowledge resource to have and I'm sure some people find it very useful. = I > may test it out and see how good it is at searching/providing relevant > knowledge on certain subjects - many of the threads here I have often > thought should be saved in some kind of FAQ for different subjects. Sorti= ng > the wheat from the chaff would be hard going though over years of archive= s > (maybe there could be a "useful" flag attached in future :-) )... > > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .