> One more note: the fiberglass composite material which makes up modern > circuit boards is often called FR-4. This stands for Flame Retardant > 4. I believe that the raw fiberglass material is called G-10 but once > they add the flame retardant chemicals to it, it is called FR-4. Pretty much. AIUI G-10 and FR4 use a different epoxy and G10 is mechanically slightly superior to FR4 but FR4 is now almost exclusively used in preference. Both use a woven fibreglass material. (The fire retardation works by incorporating bromides in the material which release Bromine at combustion temperatures. Quoting a PCB FAQ: There are red and blue logos. Red is UL94-V0, blue is UL94-HB. If you have a blue logo material, it is either XPC (phenolic) or G10 (glass epoxy). In 1.50/1.60mm FR4 the logo is in the middle layer (layer 4) of the common 8 layer construction. ie your logo should be red if you think you have a fire extinguishing board. . I wrote the following for another thread a few days ago and decided not to send it. Now seems a good time to use it :-) __________ FR2 is paper with phenolic resin. Your standard cheap junk rubbish boards. Punching (or using at all) not recommended. Beloved of Asian manufacturers aiming at low cost. Nasty ability to split and radiate cracks which may break copper tracks. FR3 is essentially FR2 with epoxy rather than phenolic resin - still paper. Good "punchability" __________ FR4 is essentially glass - epoxy resin laminate.with bromides incorporated to provide self extinguishing properties. Usually routed rather than punched. CEM3 (more Japan and some other Asia) is glass-epoxy but instead of a woven fabric as in FR4 uses random non woven glass fibres. Instantly distinguishable by its white colour. Equally as good as FR4. G10 (often seen in older specs is glass-epoxy, different epoxy to FR4 and not flame retardant. Claimed more punchable than FR4 - not obvious why. Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .