>> We don't need more regulation or oversight, we need more direct >> responsibility. Private ownership combined with unlimited liability > While I agree in principle with this... How do you get to direct > responsibility without regulation and oversight? ... That part's easy :-). You 'simply' establish a body that has liability for any outcomes at that site, however caused., and you require it to be backed up by an insurer with adequately deep pockets, and you require such insurers to be part of a cooperative group which will guarantee their underwriting. eg as Lloyds does for shipping and similar liabilities. That way there is ALWAYS a path back to a suitably large pool of money. The HARD part is persuading any insurers to front up at all and any group to underwrite them. You may be able to get Nick Leeson to put up the better part of the first billion pounds, but getting credible guarantees for the required other 10 to 50 billion required would be problematic. Unless you can stop the actuaries opening the files labelled, Apollo 1, Apollo 13, Bhopal (1984), Challenger, Columbiia, Chernobyl, 3 mile island, Macmurdo (1958?), Windscale (1957), Palomares (1966)(2 H bombs), Greenham common (?1? H bomb?), North Carolina (it's still there somewhere, they think), ... AND KAL Flight 007, Pan Am Flight 103, Air NZ Flight 901, Tenerife 1977 (KLM4805, PanAm 1736 - two for the price of one :-( ), Gimli Glider, Exon Valdez, BP 2010, ... you may find people wanting underwriting of a trillion or two. Really. All those events, regardless of the magnitude of or the responsibility for the outcomes, showed that the human factor made the impossible possible and/or that Murphy can make anything go wrong on demand. In many cases hindsight and an expensive inquiry show that there are things that could and should have been done differently. But, it keeps on happening and happening and happening. Flight 901 hit Erebus because about 5 unlikely things all came together AND the controller at xxx was quite possibly stoned as a bonus . Apollo 1 took out the A team when it was absolutely blindingly obvious after the event that it was a triple fatality just waiting to happen. Macmurdo is powered and heated by diesel. It was not always so. In 1958 the US scraped up a large amount of dirt surrounding the previous power station and took the dirt and the remains of the station back stateside.I have no idea whether this 'incident" had a human factor cause. That people can decide to put a nuclear reactor power plant in the world's low temperature ecological showcase and then allow it to destroy itself suggests people weren't serious enough. The Gimli Glider incident was far mmore complex than the populist version suggests - all available on web, but again it was a long chain of unlikely events with some people factors thrown in. And on and on. The human factor alone, let alone Murphy, means that your insurers are going to be horrendously twitchy about getting involved in an open liability deal where the bill COULD, but almost certainly never will, run to tens of billions. And, just conceivably maybe closer to a trillion. MAKING it safe against all the things that people and Murphy ma do is pretty difficult. But convincing people to stump up their own risk money to the levels required, that's the hard part. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .