> > Another is flashlights. Rechargeable Li-ion cells don't have the > > LSD characteristics of "Eneloops" in my limited experience. LiIon is normally known for very good charge retention. As noted, it may be that protection circuitry impacts this. I had a tray of about 50 small rectangular LiIon cells with no protection circuitry that I stored for many years - perhaps 5. I tested the O/C terminal voltage and was surprised to find them all within about 10 mV of each other and well up in voltage. LiIon have a VERY approximately linear charge/voltage curve up to about 60 - 70% of total capacity - at this point they hit the maximum voltage limit (typically 4.3V for standard LiIon) and voltage and charge state are less determinate. AFAIR my cells were well up towards this knee point. I don't recall whether I tried a modest load or what difference it would make. FWIW best storage point for LiIon is just at the constant current / constant voltage changeover knee. LiIon are actually easier to charge properly than NimH and to know where you are in the charging cycle. Where energy density needs to be good but is not an utter concern then LiFePO4 are THE battery of the future IMHO. Suitably managed they can have far better cycle life than any other usual alternative and the whole of life cost per cycle is less than for lead acid. You can get AA LiFepPO4. but energy density is worse than top NimH. Energy recovery efficiency is good to superb. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .