>> I bought a PIC dev kit from Microchip with the ICD2 back in 2003 In case it's not been obvious from other people's posts... Using your 2003-era PIC just because you already have it may not be =20 the best choice. BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .