> I need to order them online. I can't find tungsten carbide bits > anywhere locally. For many purposes 'high speed steel' drills are liable to be good enough and are much more forgiving. Tungsten carbide bits are hard but fragile. Put too much side force on them and they vanish instantaneously (or, that's what your eye doesn't see happen). For small drills "too much" is not very much at all. You don't want to handhold a drill when using small TC bits. For drilling occasional 3mm holes in PCBs a good steel bit will last a long time. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .