Good thought, just tie RW low, and that gives me an extra pin. Easily=20 done. I don't see any reason to read the LCD. It's a very simple format=20 that is stationary. The RA1 is cmos output, and TTL input. I guess what I don't understand, There are many examples of connecting a=20 PIC 18 to a 44780 LCD, and none show this extra stuff. It appears the=20 chip programs OK without the LCD attached, but doesn't display anything.=20 But that's getting ahead a bit, and if after spending some time and=20 research is a new topic. First I need to get the PICKIT 2 working=20 correctly. I have used the PICKIT 2 previously with no problems, but=20 none of the programing pins had anything else connected. On 8/6/2010 6:18 PM, Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote: > On 2010-08-06 21:35, Carl Denk wrote: > =20 >> The LCD control lines are as follows: >> RS> RA4 >> RW> RA1 >> E> RA0 >> I see that RA4 is open drain, and needs a pull somewhere, >> =20 > If anything, it should be "up". > > =20 >> probably >> should be high to not write to the LCD unless intentionally writing. >> =20 > RS controls *where* to write (or read), not if one writes or not. > > =20 >> Will try 10k ohms. alternately I could move RS to RA3 that only has an >> activity LED now. >> =20 > Again, it was the *RW* line I was specificaly asking about. > Does RA1/RW has a pulldown to GND ? > Are you going to read from the LCD at all ? > If not, just pull/tie it low and save a PIC I/O-pin... > > > > =20 >> Thanks on that point. >> >> Thanks everyone too. :) >> =20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .