Thanks, Olin, and others that have replied. Olin's link is quite=20 informative, and indicates that ICD is more than just sticking a=20 connector on a board and hooking up 5 wires. I will study in more detail=20 after lunch. The reference to MCLR is, the resistor connected there is labeled as =20 470 ohm, and then tagged as "typical values". I didn't know whether to=20 take it, all resistors on the drawing not labeled otherwise were also=20 470 ohm, or that the 470 ohm and capacitor values were approximate, and=20 could vary a value or 2 up or down. Seems to me a poor labeling situation. On 8/6/2010 10:07 AM, Olin Lathrop wrote: > > What does MCLR have to do with all this? I thought the problem was PGC a= nd > PGD also used as data lines during normal operation. > =20 > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .