On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:39:27 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 11:03:33PM +0930, Roger Weichert wrote: >> If the Dataman is crook, why does the data read off all the chips ok and= the=20 >> checksum ok ... yet not one of the 14 I've tried have worked in it's=20 >> location. > >At a company I worked at many years ago (before I worked there): > >A unit was returned because it would not work for the customer. So, the=20 >unit was opened up by a service technician, but it checked out to be=20 >functioning properly. It was then returned to the customer to try again. = =20 >Of course, the unit came back, and the technician tested it again - only=20 >to find that it still worked fine for him. This time, however, the=20 >technician decided to test the unit after putting the cover back on (hey >there's a novel idea..). He found that the unit would no longer work when= =20 >the cover was in place! He then discovered that the EPROM, whose window=20 >was exposed inside the sealed box, required light to hit it in order to=20 >work. So, like any good troubleshooter would do, he placed an LED inside= =20 >the unit, aimed at the EPROM window, to offer the light that he thought=20 >the EPROM needed. Amazed that this actually worked, the technician sent=20 >the unit back to the customer. Several months later, the unit was=20 >returned again because, believe it or not(!), the unit was not reliable in= =20 >the field. This time, a different technician looked at the EPROM circuit.= =20 >He discovered that the EPROM ground trace had never been connected in the= =20 >first place! Yet many other units worked despite this PCB issue (possibly >getting ground from low address lines?).. > >The impact that light had on the EPROM is still not completely understood, >but someone mentioned something about the light helping to bias the memory= =20 >cells? I'm not sure, but I thought this story was funny from beginning to= =20 >end! > >Take care, >-Chris ISTR that you could reliably crash a system running from EPROM by firing a = flashgun nearby - I think light messes up the read amplifier thresholds. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .