I've been looking at various options for short-range transmissions at 434MHz. Less than 100m line-of-sight will do So far I've tried 1/2 wave (345mm), 1/4 (172mm) and 1/8 (86mm) straight aerials, using both copper and aluminium. 1/2 is best although 1/8 is still pretty good, apart from a couple of dead spots at 100m One application I'm evaluating would benefit from internal aerials. This could either be an 1/8 or a PCB trace. PCB trace would be preferable. My thought is to use a short link from the fixed-position user to a repeater. The repeater can have a 1/1 or 1/2 wave aerial to broadcast the longer range to the end receiver. This receiver should also have an unobtrusive aerial (PCB preferably), and I'm hoping that the power output of a repeater with its better gain aerial will be picked up more reliably with this internal aerial than from the user's short range transmitter I've Googled 434MHz aerial PCB and found this document, which has several 434MHz examples. The Bode plots are very helpful http://www.rfm.com/corp/appdata/antenna.pdf Opinions and suggestions please ? TIA Joe * * ********** Quality PIC programmers http://www.embedinc.com/products/index.htm --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .