Roger Weichert bigpond.net.au> writes: > I had tried looking around while running with the eprom pulled, but the=20 > waveforms weren't as 'clean' as when I fitted the nop adaptor. Yes that's the point of the NOP adapter, it removes the questionable glitch= es. =20 > I only recently bought an old Dataman S4 burner off ebay and have used i= t a=20 > lot. About a hundred chips so far. Surprisingly useful, though finding=20 > blanks of the old chips eg 2716 etc is difficult. There are sources of old 2716s around but one thing one can do (and what I = did a lot) was to retrofit 2732s instead with an adapter and more importantly 283= 2, the EEPROM version. No more 20 minute waits for UV erasure. =20 > In fact in searching through my Z80 stuff I came across two 2716's in a b= ox=20 > with an eprom burner I built myself back when I was studying processors 2= 5=20 > years ago. >=20 > The Dataman has been handy to make copies of the eproms fitted to boards= =20 > that come in, even if it is just a file stored on my pc. It's surprising = how=20 > often people send me a board to repair with no eprom ... how am I=20 > supposed to run it and fix it without one??? Well people who work on boards usually have copies of factory EPROMs and al= so test EPROMs. A test EPROM program I used in the past used the NOP trick to exercise the RAM/ROM address space and a small loop using IN a,(c) and OUT (C),a or such= to exercise the IO port space. This was dangerous with certain attached hardwa= re which had to be made safe by removing motor power supplies, fuses etc. -- Peter --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .