> Are you sure about 4 million surveillance cameras? Well, I took at face value what the program said, and it seems to be true "Fears that the UK would "sleep-walk into a surveillance society" have become a reality, the government's information commissioner has said" " Britain is 'surveillance society' " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm "Richard Thomas, who said he raised concerns two years ago, spoke after research found people's actions were increasingly being monitored. Researchers highlight "dataveillance", the use of credit card, mobile phone and loyalty card information, and CCTV. Monitoring of work rates, travel and telecommunications is also rising. There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people But surveillance ranges from US security agencies monitoring telecommunications traffic passing through Britain, to key stroke information used to gauge work rates and GPS information tracking company vehicles, the Report on the Surveillance Society says" Euw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television "Surveillance of the public using CCTV is particularly common in the UK, where there are reportedly more cameras per person than in any other country in the world. There and elsewhere, its increasing use has triggered a debate about security versus privacy" I think people are generally too non-conformist for things to ever get to a 1984 / THX-1138 / Logan's Run situation, but if you marry a totalitarian state (and there are plenty of those around) with advanced technology it wouldn't take much to get a society under the thumb, and increasingly so thereafter I've heard it said that a Londoner may appear on 300 cameras a day Joe * * ********** Quality PIC programmers http://www.embedinc.com/products/index.htm -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist