BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I have used the NOP's in eprom technique to test the basics of a system before now, you can scope the address lines to make sure that the pattern A14 is half the width of A15, and A13 is half of A14, etc. some of the basic checks may show some oddities. but depending upon the rest of the circuit you may not get much further. Definitely worth a try . -Jim On Thu 22/07/10 4:14 PM , "Roger Weichert" rweicher@bigpond.net.au sent: Hi guys, I have a new question for today. I am working on a Z80 based system where the micro is not running properly. The device is a 25 year old RFID reader which has a Z80 CPU, PIO, SIO, CTC, eprom and ram ... a whole 2k of each :) .. plus a heap of additional basic circuitry. To get the 'why' question out of the way ... replacement units are US$3600 and I've fixed a dozen already, which helps pay the bills. Anyway, this one has a good supply, the clock signal is nice and clean, the Reset is not being held on ... and the only socketed device, the 2716 eprom is ok. The CRO shows signal on the data lines and the address lines (although not the same as a known good one), but nothing on the RD, IROQ, WR lines etc. The HALT and WAIT inputs are not being clamped. I do have a good one to compare with, and I do have a range of spare chips from my 'playing' 30 years ago, but I'm not all that keen to start replacing 40 pin chips willy nilly, especially seeing they're not in sockets. I vaguely recall a fault finding technique of programming an eprom with a nop? to make the cpu cycle around, but I dont know how useful that would be with all the other chips in circuit and not easily removeable. I can imagine a really useful diagnostic system by making up an eprom with an appropriate program in it, but I have no circuit of this thing to be able to work out just how each chip talks to each other Does anyone have any suggestions for techniques for narrowing down this sort of fault? Thanks. Regards, Roger -- http://www.piclist.com [1] PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist [2] Links: ------ [1] http://www.piclist.com [2] http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist