I have posted on Usenet seeking collective wisdom on 'universal' ROHS solder which is insenstitivy to alloying with other solders such that the weld is reasonably good and close to eutectic behavior. The answers I got were no encouraging. The 'hard old' (and tedious and bad for boards) method is the one which works best, i.e. completely cleaning off the residue off the board and iron tip (!) several times if necessary, and then using the new alloy to solder. I heard SN100C is very good for all-around use and low cost, and somewhat well behaved when mixed with SnPb residues, and some audiophool threads claim that quad eutectic solder might be 'very good'. I do not know enough metallurgy physics to judge if bringing in a complex 'outlandish' alloy to the existing one will somewhat mitigate the effect of the existing alloy on the result alloy. This is relevant to the thread because of what happens when the alloy formed by by the new and old ROHS solders is *not* eutectic. The behavior ranges from that of immiscible alloys swirling together without alloying, to something that stays liquid for a surprising amount of time after removing heat. It is this latter behavior which is what I was trying to avoid, and *may* be interesting for board-friendly chip removal. In short, one could deliberately add an 'incompatible' (metallurgically, for soldering purposes) ROHS solder to the joints being processed and then rely on the bad characteristics of the alloy to remove the part easier. And it does not have to be Indium based ($$$ expensive). Most ROHS solders are not compatible with each other and with SnPb so just picking two and trying might work. Also some people use a solder bath to mass remove parts from old boards (in SE Asia). This is the same solder bath used to make the boards usually. The problem is that parts stuffed for wave soldering have bent pins which prevent them from falling out in the bath. The SE Asia method to deal with this is a knife edge that rips the parts out. You probably want something more delicate, such as tying a steel wire under the chip to remove and then use the bath and pull (gently) on the wire loop. Heat resistant chip inserters/extractors can also be used. The board is ALWAYS heated from the bottom, whether with a bath, a hot plate or with hot air. My favorite method to remove stubborn parts is to preheat the board with a 150C hot plate. After that, I use normal solder wick and/or suction. The 150C heating corresponds to the factory preheating used before the solder bath for pre-fluxed boards (most of them) and is safe in most cases even if prolonged considerably to achieve heat soaking. Solder flow with preheating is much better than without, with the same power iron (usually 50W thermostated). By stubborn parts I mean large non-removable heatsink parts, and certain flyback and SMPSU transformers and inductors mounted with hollow rivet solder points to reinforce the board. Setting the iron temperature is more critical for desoldering than for soldering, and a high power thermostated iron with a large sharp edged chisel tip works best. The sharp tip is used to lift the 'bent down' pins of certain through hole parts. To avoid damage to the pad it is necessary that this lifting be done such that the other contact point of the 'fulcrum' is off the pad, on a copper-less part of the board if necessary. The wide chisel chip usually permits this. It also brings a lot of heat to the part where needed. Most desoldering braids do not carry enough flux for sustained desoldering work. I always add pure rosin (solid) to them either as powder or by pulling the braid through a rosin block with heat from the iron. These technologies are now decades old, I worked for 14+ years almost exclusively with SMD after that. That does not make them less good however ;) -- Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist