----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Denk" > Then why don't you run, not walk to obtain vehicles to drive that are > not throttle (and other basic systems) by wire?? You have enough > personal experience to warrant not even riding in someone else's similar > vehicle. The repeatability of the power line situation should make the > manufacturer sit up straight and try to avoid publicity! The power line thing never seems to repeat itself when you are expecting it - repeatability for test purposes appears to be zero !!! Plus its not a "dangerous" failure - its seems fail safe in fact by cutting power briefly. Its only happened twice despite maybe 50+ trips past the same lines. As far as obtaining alternative vehicles, my wife gets given what is available - she's not in the position to request alternatives. We've had two other brands of car which have both been diesels and have also been drive by wire - there seems to be no escaping it in the UK these days. I drive a 1998 "drive by cable" car. Everything is loose and sloppy and its a pig to drive but cost very little and because I've sworn not to replace it until the wheels fall off it keeps soldiering on just to spite me. Dom -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist