> Hat: Admin casual off duty beret (it's 4:45am and work calls)
>
>> >> ... Frankly, I don't understand why
>> >> you and some others are getting so defensive
>
>> > Because its irritating and rude.
>
>> (its =3D> it's)
>
>> No, it most certainly is not.
>> ---
>> Man: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
>> =A0 =A0 Mr Vibrating: I told you once.
>> =A0 =A0 Man: No you haven't.
>
> etc ...
>
> Let's see if logic works.
>
> 1. You seem to be missing the point of your own illustration.
> Olin, "and other(s))", HAVE in fact (ie electrons were disturbed and
> Google et al hold essentially irremovable records) given an opinion on
> the subject. This can be demonstrated logically and step by step with
> documentary evidence.
> If your email client is in working order (as it seems to be) then you
> too will have a record of this, and a copy will be in the PICList
> archives.
>
> So the "Having been told" aspect seems to be fulfilled by what would
> 'normally' be considered to be a reasonable test.
>
> Whether what you have been told is 'true' is not at this stage the
> point. It's the fact of having been told.
> That is, as above, reasonably established.
>
> 2. The proposition "That it's not annoying to people" seems hard to
> argue with any hope of success.


Where did you get the proposition "That it's not annoying to people"?
Do not attribute to me anything I did not say. I said:
- "No, it most certainly is not."
In reply to
- "Because its irritating and rude."

For many it is not "irritating and rude", for some it is. Both
statements seem to be valid.  Some find that short single line
wikipedia link to be "irritating and rude", many don't.



> That people have reacted with annoyance "seems"to demonstrate this.
> Your not understanding WHY people are annoyed should not blind you to
> the fact that they ARE annoyed, or that annoyance may reasonably be
> expected in such cases.
>
> You have acknowledged =A0the fact that people are annoyed by what you wro=
te.Viz -
>
>> >> ... Frankly, I don't understand why
>> >> you and some others are getting so defensive
>
> You could argue that "getting defensive" and "being annoyed by" etc
> are not the same thing.
> Unless you are a lawyer or similar then the prospected of the argument
> being seen as reasonable in "normal" situations would seem slim.

No, I haven't acknowledged anything, some are getting annoyed, many are not.


> 3. Perhaps you missed the "assertion"/ possibly vain attempt to explain :=
-)
>
> " =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The large majority of people* who are on the "re=
ceiving
> end" of such a
> post, and the majority* of people who read it, will see such an effort
> as a taunt or similar. It may be that if you were on the receiving end
> of such a "missive" that it would not bother you, but that just makes
> it the more important that you accommodate other people's 'weaknesses'
> & peccadilloes. A bit of explanatory comment, softening what otherwise
> can easily come across as a Sabres-at-dawn gauntlet-slap across the
> face, might go a long way to making such offerings less offensive."
>
> and the explanation of the basis on which this claim was made.
>
> 4. But, to answer the problem that you and "Mr Vibrating" and "Man"
> seem to have.
>
> Please be informed that IMHO,AE
>
> =A0"People typically** find such approaches to informing them annoying.
> If you wish to inform rather than to troll then it is usually better
> to add a bit of explanation. And list rules, established for reasons
> perhaps inscrutable, require that such informing and explaining be
> done, if at all, using the [OT] tag. Failure to observe such tag
> observance is liable to attract the bad cop's wrath.
>
> Note FYI that a certain amount of trolling may be found acceptable in
> [OT] but that the bad cop has his limits and he's a wee bit tetchy of
> late. If you wish to make his day then, by all means, lay on. If not,
> then stopping somewhere about here is probably a really good idea.
> Please note that this is not a threat of any sort on my part. Just a
> helpful warning. If I just step back and take my hand off the
> dead-man's-handle*** the 'automated' systems =A0will cut in sooner or
> later".
>
> 5. If you genuinely love "English" ...

Among other languages...


> and want to learn more about its
> usual and not so usual applications then you've come to the right
> place (or one of them), and we could have a fine old time together. If
> you, rather, enjoy flame wars, invective and their ilk, then you will
> almost certainly find other fora more conducive to your journey.

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