> For following, all rights reserved. > :-) - what rights those are vary with administration. NZ = none. US = > much AFAIK. Probably not. I don't remember signing a non-disclosure or intellectual property agreement with you, so I believe I am free to use anything you say to me without any obligation to you. You also can't prove that I didn't have some of those ideas independently before you listed them publicly, which I did by the way. I'm reasonably sure that your chance of successfully getting a court to force me to give you compensation should I develop these ideas is very slim. >From the little I've been exposed to patent law by having been thru the process a few times, I think this starts a 1 year clock ticking within which anyone that wishes to file a patent must do so, else it can be rejected easily if filed later. I also think that many of your ideas are obvious, in the sense that many engineers given the basic problem statement would come up with them, although the patent office unfortunately seems unwilling to apply the obviousness criterion much. Fortunately, I have no current plans to develop a table saw safety device, but find the exercise of thinking about one interesting. Keep in mind that ideas are cheap. What's not cheap is the hard work to develop them into real usable and producable products, and to effectively market and sell those products. One of the ideas I had I don't remember you mentioning (although I admittedly didn't read much of your original message) is in part using the blade's own momentum to move it out of the way. Table saw blades always spin so that the top of the blade is moving towards the front of the saw (apposing the direction of feed). Therefore a brake applied behind the rotation axis would simultaneously slow the blade down while also converting the blade's rotary momentum into downward translation. That would require a mechanism to allow the blade to move downward while the brake is applied at the same time. Harnessing the momentum or energy stored in the rotating blade should require less external energy input, and probably be less stressful on the various mechanisms. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist