--000e0cd2d91cd486f2048af3c788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BCCs - especially see "Superb example" link below: The Archnimedes screw pump (or hydraulic motor) does NOT usually operate in the manner which may be intuitively assumed. ie IF the screw had zero centre diameter then it would act as a pipe with a spiral guide in it and water would flow down it when stopped. BUT as the centre diameter is made an increased fraction of the outer diameter you form "buckets" at the bottom of each spiral loop. The size of the buckets as a proportion of the total pipe internal volume depends on both the inner/outer ration AND the tilt angle. Look at the decorative screw pumps which consist of a spiral tube with a large air space down the middle. It is very easy to visualise the "buckets of water trapped in each loop. Attached GIF gives a good visualisation and an excellent real world example is here. SUPERB EXAMPLE : http://www.swansea.ac.uk/grst/images/Archimedes'%20screw.jpg This allows the crucialrole of the OD/ID ratio to be seen. Note that here the screw is formed on the outer wall so there is NO leakage when static. A screw with given ID/OD ratio can also be inserted in a tube, when there will be leakage between the tube and screw. For this design the outer wall height of the buckets becomes relevant - for a screw in tube design the outer wall is continuous. I guess that an eg Teflon coated version of the above shown screw should be able to provide an extremely high efficiency. As implemented here water is spilling from successive turns due to the buckets being brim full, but an inlet scheme could be arranged to slightly underfill each bucket initially. As seen here tilt angle and ID/OD ratio are not optimised - as the buckets are spilling on the outer edges but water level is not up to the ID edge. IE a slightly steeper tilt would lose less water for this % of fill. Note that this pump can operate across a wide speed range - and stop without losing water. If manually operated this pump would allow delivery rate to vary with user's input energy. ____________________ A screw with zero or "too small" ID/OD ratio can operate as a pressure turbine that pumps dynamically BUT in most cases the system is effectively operated so as to effectively be a series of buckets. ie it is a positive displacement pump with gravity providing the cap to the buckets. A horizontal screw will still transport liquid with the maximum outlet head being the height of the inner edge of the lower part of the spiral, and the input head minimum being level with the lower outer edge. Note that the various heat engine solutions being discussed in response to Olin's challenge do NOT use the screw in the above manner-they use it as a an inertial or momentum driven system with the fluid flow reacting against the rotor. This would work conceptually but is liable to have much of the flow bypass the screw - depending a lot on design. Russell McMahon > >> > What backflow? =A0 :) > >> I'm not sure if that's a joke or not. I realize that the water which > >> has fully reached the top will not backflow since it is lower than the > >> end of the screw. However, any water inside the screw will flow back > >> down into the lower pool if the screw speed is insufficient to keep up > >> with the pull of gravity on the water. Am I missing something? > Isn't the screw, when stopped, a continuous inclined plane so that > water poured in at one end would just run "downhill" around the turns > of the screw and out the other end? I did look at the photos and > that's what it appeared to me. > > It's not a joke, as for most of the screw the water does not cover the = screw, so the water cannot backflow. 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