-------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Watterson" > I don't believe (1) or (3). That adds too much cost :-) It doesn't sound too unlikely to me - if by adding a bit of component cost they can make sure people have to use their power supply then I think most would go for it. The situation with laptop batteries is similar - I had to hack one a while back as it had a lifespan set by the on board chip which had expired, but the cells were still okay. Why make a battery that lives a long time and has easily replaceable cells when you can do otherwise and charge people half the cost of a new laptop for replacements? :-) On a side note, whilst hacking the battery, I made use of this app note from microchip on SMBus etc - quite useful: http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1824&appnote=en011076 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist