PIC >> 2x3(x1) mm DFN, AVR > ATtiny4/5/9/10 data sheet here > http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8127.pdf My 'chip enabled' VISA card is about 0.75 mm thick ( slightly thicker at the chip end). The 0.6mm IC MAY just fit in there. The 1mm thick one wouldn't. R -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist