Sent again, this message should have been before my last one, they keep getting lost.. > You must have really bad luck. I am not sure on the 16F684, but pretty > much traditionally RA4 is an open-drain pin. > > It is the one pin that is a problem for beginners. > > For now, try to use RA3, or RA2, or RA1, or RA0. I just had a look at the 16F684 datasheet, and I can't see any mention of RA4 being open drain ( I may be wrong/blind though ) I think RA3 is the only problem pin, being input only. >From the datasheet: Figure 4-5 shows the diagram for this pin. The RA4 pin is configurable to function as one of the following: . a general purpose I/O . an analog input for the ADC . a Timer1 gate (count enable) . a crystal/resonator connection . a clock output -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist