Not been following this thread too closely, but I just thought I'd suggest = this site in case you haven't heard of it - has projects etc for starting = off with FPGAs. http://www.fpga4fun.com/SiteInformation.html Possibly irrelevant thoughts, partly based on Phillip and Jims comments - = There's always the option of etching your own dev boards (FPGA included, I = do with SMD stuff quite often, no probs) or use Schmartboards (various size= s = of SMD breakout boards for easy soldering) from curiousinventor.com - you'd = still have to solder the FPGA on by hand (pretty easy once you get the hang = of it), but a lot of the smaller gate ones can be got in TQFP packages. = There are various tutorials on converting small ovens for reflow purposes, = to deal with BGA/SMD stuff if you ever wanted to deal with that youself too= . = Obviously for business projects where time is invariably money, buying the = dev boards is usually the best way, but for many revisions while = prototyping, one time board costs/time can mount up quickly so sometimes = it's nice to have another option (that enables quick ideas/changes in house= , = especially for smaller businesses, IMHO this stuff is relevant for small = businesses as well as hobbyists). Rough comparison for (just)PCBs: <=A35 GB= P, = ~1hr in house etching - ~=A350, >24hrs PCB house. = -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist