I looked at this on intergoogle and while there were some example diagrams, I did not get a sense of what a rule of thumb for determining the mechanical advantage of pulleys. Assume the rope and pulleys have zero mass and no friction. Assume that I weigh 100 grams. I attach myself to the floor and pull on a rope that goes over a pulley ( attached to the ceiling ) and has has an object attached to it. The object is gravitationally attracted to the ground with a force of one newton. I have to pull with a force of 1 newton to lift the weight .... correct ? Now I detach myself from the floor and move the rope to a hook at the top of my head. Now I have to pull with a force of .5 newtons to lift myself. .... correct ? Next I attach a rope to my head , run it up through side A of a double pulley ( attached to the ceiling ) , back down to a pulley attached to my head , back up through side B of the double pulley and back down to my hands. I have to pull with a force of .25 newtons to raise myself ........ correct ? So what is the rule of thumb ? Gus -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist