Marechiare wrote: > It clearly points out "You shouldn't stop down beyond f/16 due to the > limiting effects of light diffraction." That's why I persist with my > point. That's one lens with a exacting test done in the lab specifically looking for diffraction effects. Even this test showed little degradation at f/16. If I remember right, you were claiming problems at f/11. Keep in mind that diffraction is always there, the question is when it becomes significant enough to matter. Obviously that is somewhat subjective. Note that this test skipped every other F stop. The next data point they showed was f/32. Obviously the diffraction effect at f/22 will be somewhere in between. Clearly it is possible to measure this in a lab, but I think you'd have a very hard time spotting the difference between f/16 and f/22 taken with that lens in real pictures that aren't contrived to show this effect. Back to Vitaliy's case. He was using f/14. Of course he was using a different lens. However the original point you objected to, which was that diffraction effects are unlikely the source of his symptoms, still seems quite valid. Also keep in mind the symptoms Vitaliy described. He said at f/14 there was "noise" on the picture. That's the opposite of what diffraction effects make a picture look like. Diffraction looks more like a haze. It's a low frequency effect, whereas Vitaliy was clearly seeing a high frequency effect. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist