Well, things continue to look bad here. I dug out my ICD2, and after getting it connected and set up, it seems to have the same problem. I guess now I'm looking at my device. I haven't hit the 100,000 cycle programming limit (hah!). I'm not anxious to replace the PIC though as it's a QFP. Also seems like a bit of waste of money. Then again, at the moment I have nothing, so what's the point it keeping it the same. The local Microchip office had a nice person answer the phone and kindly told me that no one was there, and she wasn't sure when or if anyone would be there. I was too mad to suggest that there must be a way to contact them, otherwise they aren't really working at home, they're just hanging out at home. So, I guess my question is now...has anyone ever had a chip that accepted a program and ran in debug mode, but refused to debug? Grrrr. Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist