> The problem is just about everything will be surface mount, which > isn't very hobbyist friendly Still a surprising amount that's through-hole though. You never can tell what's inside, new or old. I find that appliances with complicated digital functions, like computers, comms gear, CDs, DVDs etc, and restricted space tend to be SMT. Analogue appliances like TVs, VCRs, stereos, PC PSUs, with more room, tend to be though-hole Jason should also invest in a breadboard. Even a small one, 50 x 10, will make experimenting a lot easier, and no soldering needed Plus a few crystals, + caps, and resonators -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist