Some pictures as promised of modified commercial gear. The 300 Euro is NEW ex-Works price, not surplus. http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003480 http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003481 http://www.techtir.ie/node/1003482 However I doubt that the factory sells to the public. If people are interested contact me off list and I will ask a company I know if they will sell a few to experimenters. I've also used the kuhne Electronics gear, but you need a 10x.xxx,xxxMHz oven reference for the multiplier. where x.xxx,xxx is a fraction of the 10GHz less your 144MHz or 430MHz IF. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist