>> and yes ill try to find a better schematic program ... >> > There are a few good and free ones, try Eagle (not free, but gratis) The freeware version would be OK for basic use http://www.cadsoft.de/freeware.htm The following limitations apply to the EAGLE Light Edition in general The useable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches) Only two signal layers can be used (Top and Bottom) The schematic editor can only create one sheet You can still do an awful lot with just that -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist