What a marvellous thread ! :-). Buried in there was this > I'm working on such a code loader, codenamed piccolo (PIC COde LOader). It's a stripped down version of your DIY that you outlined , with no high voltage generation and trusting the clamping diodes. /> Byron, can you please explain that last comment. I hope it doesn't mean what it could mean. *IF* it means using the clamping diodes in conduction mode during device operation: 1. Could this not be bypassed by the use of small Schottky diode per relevant pin at minimal extra cost? 2. What sort of currents are involved?. (1-10 uA = probably OK) (10-100 = getting risky). (100+ = DTTAH) Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist