Hmm, I can't type it seems. 508/509/510 ... Sorry about the confusion, Tamas On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Tamas Rudnai wrote: > Hi Russell > > Have you considered 12F508/209/5120? BTW what I will use in the near future > is 12F519, which is the only baseline that has EEPROM as far as I concern. > > Tamas > > > > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Russell McMahon wrote: > >> I've copy and pasted a post of mine out of Nabble with minor changes. >> Time to ask it again again :-). >> >> While this allows for unusual but available solutions, knowing what >> prices people are finding for the entry level in various more common >> devices would be a good start. eg Marechiare suggested that PIC10Fxx >> should be available at around 10 cents in volume. That would be nice >> but seems unlikely - what is the lowest known real-world price for the >> 10F etc? . >> >> Philips LPC may be good candidates. Obviously PIC and AVR. TO maybe. >> Other ... . I could troll the various manufacturers sites again again, >> and probably yet will, but knowing what people already know would be >> good. >> >> Two categories are probably of interest . >> - Lowest cost come what may subject to development and availability >> issues as below. >> - Lowest cost with 2+ ADC. >> >> _______________________________ >> >> May 2009, RMc on Nabble escrit ... >> >> " ... Must be time for standard question number 16.3.4(a) again :-). >> >> What is the cheapest sensibly accessible and usable microcontroler around? >> That needs qualifying. >> >> - Aim is ability to do at least "what if" investigations on a modest >> budget, >> even if final development work was done 'elsewhere' ie must not >> necessarily need custom hardware or software costing thousands of >> dollars. >> >> - Ideally will operate from say 2V - 5.5V (so otherwise rather nice >> looking >> 5V only ST7FOXxxx a non starter) >> >> - Starts and stays running well in real world (ie good POR and >> anti-brownout. Maybe watchdog). >> >> - Operates or able to operate on internal oscillator. >> >> - Has some I/O ( :-) ). (2 just maybe, 4 better, 6 good, more nice) >> >> - Timer a welcome bonus (few wouldn't have) >> >> - Interrupts(s) a welcome bonus (most have) >> >> - ADC a most welcome bonus >> >> - Comparator a bonus. >> >> - PWM a bonus. >> >> - Non utterly arcane instruction set a bonus (eg (long defunct) F8 >> need not apply ;-) ). >> >> - Flash versions for development or even windowed eprom OK - if >> production >> parts are OTP. Mask for production if it must be. Die & COB in due course >> if >> it got the cost down. >> >> - Available in modest volumes (ie you can buy development quantities. >> >> - Modest cost development tools available (ie assembler available, can be >> programmed easily enough or basic programmer available). >> >> The PIC 10F2xx is about as good as I can find so far. >> 10F200 not much over $US0.30 in thousands before you start haggling. >> 4 I/O. Timer. Comparator. >> >> PIC16F54 is not much dearer. Timer. No comparator. Substantially more I/O. >> >> Holtek may yet do far better. >> I'm just starting to dance the dance of finding out. >> >> There is a world (I'm told) of arcane 4 bit creations 'out there' - but >> generally development access is not easy. >> >> Other suggestions most welcome. >> >> Under $US0.30 in thousands to 10,000 to ... possible OK. >> 25 cents getting good. >> >> Anything that can achieve $US0.20 in 100,000+ would be very nice >> >> At that price with say 6 I/O I could probably even tolerate no timer, no >> interrupts, no ... . >> >> And, odds are, almost anything will have these. >> >> Thoughts? >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > > > > -- > int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s="int main() { char *a,*s,*q; > printf(s=%s%s%s, q=%s%s%s%s,s,q,q,a=%s%s%s%s,q,q,q,a,a,q); }", > q="\"",s,q,q,a="\\",q,q,q,a,a,q); } > -- int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s="int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=%s%s%s, q=%s%s%s%s,s,q,q,a=%s%s%s%s,q,q,q,a,a,q); }", q="\"",s,q,q,a="\\",q,q,q,a,a,q); } -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist