Russell, On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:13:32 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote: >... > The important implication for me is the (utterly obvious now) fact > that you CANNOT stop a given gas diffusing by "balancing" it with > anything on the other side. Indeed, and I've observed this with CO2 dissolved in liquid vs. present in the gas above it (ie a bottle of Coke which isn't full). You can buy a little pump fitted to a lid which you put onto the bottle, and give a number of squeezes, increasing the pressure in the bottle by adding air. It's sold as preventing part-empty bottles losing their fizz, but the result is as expected from what you say above - it's completely useless! Note that there is no membrane, just the liquid's meniscus, but I think the principle at work is the same. I wonder if I could bring a case under the Trades Descriptions Act, or the Sale of Goods Act, because the the device doesn't do what it's being sold for? Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist