Olin I realize that you may not care what I think of you. That is okay with me and you certainly do not owe me anything. When you help people with their questions , I am very impressed. You then have one identifiable person in the world who is thinking very favourably of you. When you trash someone for stupid questioning , I feel somewhat neutral about the process. It kind of depends on how vicious the wording you use is. When you threaten to stop helping newbies in the subject matters that you are so brilliant ...... well then ..... I am NOT impressed. If you actually stop contributing ...... then a pox on you. My opinions are of course , my opinions. And I would say the same thing about anyone who has talents similar to Olin's. Gus -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist