I have been on and off the list for over 4 years. It is like a bunch of 6 year olds arguing. The lists has rules. It seems quite simple if you do not like the rules go start your own list. Olin used to contribute a wealth of information to the list. Now all he does is complain, so what would be lost if he was moderated or dropped. Everybody had to start to learn some time how would you have felt if every one told you RTFM. I have a lot of knowledge and experience in areas other then PIC CHIPS. I freely pass this knowledge on to those who ask. I do not feel like I am to good to spend time to answer some newcomers question. Enough said Bob -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist