I think there are too many straw men and hypothetical cases - and that's on all "sides". We now have a wholly unmoderated list membership. We have as many oldies here as are here. We have a chance to get on with things and conduct ourselves in an adult way - whatever that may mean to whoever. The "newcomers" 'problem' is academic. Why don't we all just wait in eager anticipation of the first "problem' arriivng and see how maturely we can handle it between us. Perhaps assume that it's your manager's managers daughter for the first few exchanges :-). No need for PC or wussy. Just sensible politeness. Same as one may afford to Derward's military buddies in person. Or maybe some members just have no front teeth as a matter of principle? AND if the outcome leaves any seasoned members feeling like leaving in silence with banners flying they will presumably be mature enough to first discuss why with the list admins. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist