> I submit that it will only be a problem if one or more (so far it's > been one) insists to make it a cause celebre I contra-submit that it is a problem whether they leave silently or with flying banners. In both cases it is their contributions that I miss. > Which of these is bad? I don't think we disagree about the long-term goal. But we do disagree about the path. And the other thing is that you talk a lot about newcomers. There is the experienced ones too. For me this list is a lot less interesting without Olin. Replace 'me' and 'olin' with other examples. -- Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist