>> I also hope that we can manage to both avoid the more extreme winding
>> up of newcomers

> It is no fun to be on a list when both your hands are
> tied behind your back.

No hands are tied.
In comparative terms we are all more fettered in our daily lives by eg
the laws of the land, paying taxes, having to wear clothes and follow
various other social mores. Not to mention having to drive on the same
side of the road as everyone else, use the sewage system for sewage (a
blessing we are so unaware of most of the time)(I'm working on a
'project' for an area where that outcome is not always SOP :-( ).
Actually being just slightly nice to newcomers and introduce them
round and provide a bit of training and a modicum of understanding
where required is something that falls entirely within the societal
norm in bout everything else we do. Not, apparently, some think, in
this community.

> I am afraid the concern for that problem will drive away even more
> experienced users.

I submit that it will only be a problem if one or more (so far it's
been one) insists to make it a cause celebre, fall on their swords,
die at all costs insistence that they must be allowed to abuse the
children into line.

By saying the above you are saying that you discount every point in
my comments in my last message about wanting newcomers to rapidlyu
become as good as they can be. But, I've got very used to that so far
:-).

Tryagain.
Which of these is bad?

 Keen for newcomers to
- think intelligently,
- learn rapidly,
- fit in well,
- use available resources well and
- understand what is available and
- how to find it,
- sit at the feet of the masters when sitting is most productive and
- generally become useful and happy members of this community. And, to
- rapidly demonstrate their own mastery and capability when it's there,
- asap.

Alas that's just read as PC PC PC woosy bleeding heart PC PC woosy ...
for some reason.



        Russell
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