Could we divert this discussion back to development tools for PIC and AVR.

((I also think the export control of USA is little --- would I say (or
do I have guts to say) -- stupid...
Those really needing the stuff are going to get it - it is just higher
price through black market.
I was pissed of couple of years back when I couldn't get 128 bit
encryption to Windows NT but luckily I have moved to better operation
system :-) ... partly...because many stuff work only on Windows.
For example there is no version of MB-Lab for Linux....))

As a beginner I would need a list of names and possibly web-addresses - please.

Is it really only option to get a professional development tool for
PIC to by HI-Tec compiler?
How much bigger code is, if no optimization is used?

My personal favourite is BV513 from http://www.byvac.com.
It is programmed in Basic and it has headers to which is very easy
connect wires from breadboard.
So experimenting is very easy. Also tech support has been very good.

I also have displays and keypads from them and they can be connected
with either I2C or SPI to the BV513.

When I have time I will inspect whether I can program with the PICKit
3 to it. It should be possible.

Best Regards
Kari
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