All, If only 10% of the effort used in these trivial discussions were used to answer actual questions posted regarding electronics, microcontrollers, and related subjects instead of this long winded, punch trading, not getting anyone anywhere bickering, this list would not only have returned to it's former helpful glory, it would have improved substantially. Why don't you all let this subject have a rest, and get on with the real reason this list was created in the first place. That is to help the PIC user community with problems and questions that come up all the time. There is so much talent, experience, expertise, and humanity on this list that no question or problem that arises should be left unanswered. I would wager the combined work experience on this list numbers into the hundreds or even thousands of years. With that much experience and knowledge to pull from, why waste time on this moderation tack. Just accept it as it is. Watch your P's and Q's, and you won't be moderated. It truly is that simple. There are rules. Follow the rules. No matter how much you think they are unfair or don't apply to you. Over half of the emails I have received in the last week or so have been about the subject of moderation, and it's pros and cons. And yet here we are a week later, and still in the same position. Talk about spinning your wheels and wasting bandwidth. Let it go people. Get on with answering the real questions, and helping users out there solve their design and software problems. Let's get back to why this list has been so productive and popular in the many years since it's creation. Answering users questions and providing answers and guidance to engineering and design problems that come up in the normal course of the R&D and design cycles of any project, whether it be for hire or for personal enjoyment or enlightenment. Thanks for at least listening. I now return you to your regular program already in progress.... Jim -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist