> In which case the only appropriate response is the modern equivalent > of RTFM - lmgtfy. Not something I think I've ever used on here, but > certainly have done elsewhere when the very first page usually gives > them the answer they're after. :-) http://live.lmgtfy.com/ Links that stream (slowly) past are live. Click to see query and results. I'd suggest that there is a vast difference between RTFM and lmgtfy. lmgtfy is sarcastic but probably only penetrates as far as the "mild offence" level or less, in most cases. RTFM, while jargon and stylised, is meant EITHER as a complete throwaway abbreviation, often self referenced, (eg "If I'd only RTFMd I'd have saved myself hour of trouble") OR very consciously as an intentionally- rude rejoinder with as much or more emphasis on the F as the wdyRTM? aka rtfM-moron. ie the F is intended as a 'refreshing' slap across the face of the putative brash and foolish, the moron and the arrogant uppity doesn't know their place newcomer. Add to that, no doubt: young people these days who weren't brought up as we were and have no sense of values, work priorities, values, hard work, ... flipping burgers, good enough for me, ... job at their age, uphill in the snow barefoot to school both ways cardboard box at the bottom of a lake don't know what this younger generation is coming to, respect their elders, Petronius Arbiter, know their place, didn't do me any harm, got to learn somewhere, world doesn't work like that, your mother doesn't work here, can't expect us to do their homework, moron, moron, wet fish, phase of moon moron, shape up or ship out, my way or the highway, moron, ... . I think that "Google is your friend", perhaps with a decently mentated serach string where apposite, is probably going to do as well as any amount of 'RTFM moron'ing' in all but the more intractable cases. And for the intractable, rtFm,M may make your point as intended, but it won't change the recipient. R(?tf?)M -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist