The most ironic and frustrating part of defending freedom, is when someone uses their freedom of speech ( and other freedoms ) to attack freedom. I admit I am selfish in wanting to have freedom of speech , freedom to live where I want, freedom to travel where I want, freedom from pirates , etc. Yes, I want all these things because they benefit me. Yet I am willing to accept the inevitable annoyances that occur because others have the same freedoms. Please don't use the benefits you derive from the free market to attack the free market. Please don't use your freedom from censorship to attack freedom of speech. Please don't attack Google after using Google to find out about the attack on Google. Or something like that. And on a separate note. I love ya Vitaliy. Try not to get too annoyed when other people are not as smart as you. We try. ( I am not being sarcastic.... I really do think Vitaliy is real smart in a great number of ways. ) And appreciation for Olin has grown on me. And I read every word of Rzzzzzz's flights of english language fancy. Gus -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist