Hi Jason, my 2c is... don't bother with adapters if you're designing the board as well. Surface mount is easier than it looks to solder. Try to use SOIC type stuff (wider pitch) for starters, and 0603 or 0805 passives. (0603 seems to be "the norm" when small pcb size isn't a top priority). I see you mention ICSP programming in another email; get that going with a thruhole type part on a solderless breadboard, then for future work go with SMT microcontrollers with your (known good) ICSP design. With some practice you'll be soldering TSSOP and QFN quickly and reliably. I suggest going down the AVR with GCC toolchain route. I do 90% PICs, and have done a few significant AVR designs, and hardware wise they have their pros and cons, but the GCC toolchain can't be beat. The DIY world is all about arduino (AVR) and if you want to create things to share (open source hardware/firmware), go AVR. The main reason I continue to use PICs is that new projects start from recycling parts of old ones, and known working firmware gets reused, etc. so there is a time cost involved with fully switching to AVR. All my 2c. I've do electronics+firmware design freelance full-time (and then some). As another poster said in your other thread, build a portfolio and ideally have it all on-line. I don't really follow my own advice but I should. (I at least have pictures of boards before they go out the door for some future website.) Cheers, J Jason Hsu wrote: > I have never soldered surface mount parts before, but I am interested > in using surface mount ICs, as there are many ICs that are not > available in through-hole packages. > > Are there any special adapters, holders, or sockets that you can > insert a surface mount IC into that can connect directly to a > through-hole circuit board? > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist