Russell McMahon wrote: > That option is, of course, logically available to anyone who wishes to > avail themselves of it. > > Any time they are placed under moderation they can refrain from > posting at all until the moderation is removed. Few are liable to have > the ability to self manage themselves under this arrangement, but the > option is there. Oh c'mon now Russell, surely you see how that doesn't address any of the objections to moderation. You're basically saying "if you don't like moderation, then leave the list", which is a slap in the face especially in the context of trying to have a reasoned discussion about list policy. Unfortunately when people start saying "screw you", especially people in power, the prospect for any remaining reasonable discussion vanishes. So it's time to see what, if anything, is going to happen. Admins, 1 - How, if at all, will list policy be changed? 2 - When am I going to get off moderation? I've been on moderation for 8 months. This was done out of the blue. No particular incident was cited nor was there mention of any rule I was supposed to have broken. For 5 months or so I took it and kept on as usual giving you guys the benefit of the doubt. I have been held guilty of causing others with their own free will to possibly say bad things, even though I hadn't said any bad things myself. Eventually my patience ran out and for the last 3 months I have refrained from adding value to the PIClist. If this is going to continue, then I might as well unsubscribe completely. I'm not saying that as a threat or ultimatum, just a fact that under these conditions the PIClist isn't worth it for me anymore. I am trying to appeal to your sense of justice and fairness. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist