Harold: I missed some of this very interesting discussion. But I did not see the quarter wavelength response. I am not an antenna expert...I am an antenna student But a very uninformed student. :-) Does the quarter wavelength at the peak of the cycle (90 degrees) make a difference in the radiation pattern and wavelength? Also, I am aware that some antennas are designed for eight wavelength. Is there a good book or resource available? Hopefully for under $100.00. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Hallikainen" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [EE] Antenna efficiency > >> A question for the antenna experts. >> >> I'd like to know what happens when you go from a half-wavelength to a >> quarter-wavelength antenna, while trying to maintain the same output >> power >> from the receiver's POV. >> >> In other words, let's say that to compensate for shorter antenna length, >> I >> swap out my 1W transmitter with a 2W one. Would that even work? And if it >> would, what happens to the extra power -- does it get converted to heat >> inside the antenna, or does poor SWR cause the energy to be lost inside >> the >> output stage? > > A bit late to the discussion, but I thought I'd make a couple comments. > > To me, the geometry of an antenna has two major effects. These are the > driving point impedance and the directional characteristics. As another > poster noted, antenna are often rated in dBi or decibels above what an > isotropic antenna would do. The gain above isotropic is possible by giving > up some radiation in one direction and getting more radiation in another > direction. A half wave dipole has gain above an isotropic since it does > not radiate off the ends. As the length of an antenna varies, its > radiation pattern varies. > > As mentioned above, a half wave dipole does not radiate off the ends. If > you drive the antenna at its center, it has an impedance of something like > 70+j0 ohms. If you turn the antenna vertically and still drive it at the > center, it is now omnidirectional horizontally, but directional vertically > (no radiation straight up). You can replace the bottom half of the > vertical dipole with a ground plane. This is the common 1/4 wave ground > plane antenna that is used for broadcast applications. The driving point > is about 35+j0 ohms. > > As the antenna gets shorter, the vertical radiation pattern changes and > the real part of the driving point impedance goes down while the reactive > part goes negative. You can compensate for the negative reactance by > adding an inductor in series, but the low driving point resistance becomes > a problem. As the driving point resistance decreases, other loss > resistance (ground losses, matching network losses) become significant. > You get more power lost (converted to heat) in these loss resistances. > > Harold > WA6FDN > Former broadcast engineer > > > > > -- > FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com - Advertising > opportunities available! > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist