Since I have been with Autocad for many years, the transition to Intellicad was not an issue, it's a clone, just find the icons. For a newcomer, drawing lines, rectangles, circles, etc very straight forward. Snaps (to a grid you specify the mesh), Object snaps (line end, intersection, center of circle, etc.), drawing orthogonal, start to add a little complexity, but make drawing a whole lot easier. It has a zillion features, which you could go to a months of classes and touch the surface, but with a days time should be fairly proficient at basics. An hour with an experienced user would make a great improvement. And there are tutorials to get started. Should be able to find online or downloaded tutorials. And that would include Autocad stuff too since they are so close. To show flexibility, current thing I have been doing with Intellicad is making CD jewel case labels. Print outs can be to an accurate scale, in this case the cut and bend lines are to full size. All Windows fonts are available and scalable. Once you are familiar, you will find many other uses. Wouter van Ooijen wrote: >> I have also been using EAGLE as a general purpose drawing tool for >> similar things. >> > > experiences? > > especially: which walls did you hit? > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist