More fun with 'automatic' systems and fly by wire car systems: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/kamikaze_prius/ The problem is hardly new, complexity lowers the MTBF of systems and MBAs lower the bar, ignoring known safe control solutions for cost reasons. Heck, even the Eagle (Apollo moon landing module) had software bugs. As to skimping on a $5 plastic linkage in a $15,000 car, that looks very much like an MBA who needs to be looking for another career. I doubt whether an engineer in his sane mind would allow such a device. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist