> Without looking at any data sheets ... > > It's traditionally O/C to allow programming voltage > Vdd to be > applied to the programming system which shares a pin with RA4 I don't recall any PICs using RA4 for programming. I think all the ones I've ever used, from 10F up, have Vpp on /MCLR, which is often RE3 on larger PICs, like Josh's 18Fxx21, with PGC and PGD on the usual RB6, RB7 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist