On 1/10/2010 2:59 AM, ivp wrote: > Forrest, do the ATF pins have high enough capacitance to degrade > the programming lines ? > According to the ATF datasheet, the capacitance is 8pf on each line... Input current is 10uA. Ooooh, ick... I had forgotten about this.. the ATF's have a pin-keeper circuit where it drives the input with the last seen input through an active driver and a 100K resistor... basically makes the inputs 'sticky' so that a floating pin doesn't float. This means that the inputs are effectively always pulled up or down with a 100K internal resistor... Although I wouldn't think that a 100K pullup or pulldown would be enough to mess up programming, I guess with the newer faster ICD, that makes some sense. -forrest -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist