Bob Blick wrote: >> I am guessing ( I may not be correct ) , that CFLs are >> subsidized by the government. Is this true in California >> and New Zealand. When people quote a price , I would >> like to know what the actual cost to purchase would be >> without the subsidy. Somebody is paying that subsidy and >> it may be moi ! > > [...]It > is not a government subsidy, it is a PG&E instant rebate. It definitely *is* a form of government subsidy. Pacific Gas and Electric is a government regulated monopoly: the government must approve any rate increases, and the government forces PG&E to offer "rebates" to customers. I don't see it being substantially different from a direct tax. To further illustrate the point, the government of California recently bailed out PG&E to the tune of $10B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Gas_and_Electric_Company#Bankruptcy Similar programs are in effect across the US. TANSTAAFL. Vitaliy -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist